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Robert Elovsson 2012-05-20 23:41:19

Run Harry!

I think The Quest is very simular with one of Van Damme's other movies,Bloodsport. And because i like Bloodsport i must say i like this one to.Roger Moore is very good as Lord Edgar Dobbs and Van Damme is also good asChristopher Dubois. The movie is about a fighting tournament in the lostcity and the winner gets a dragon of gold. But on the way to victoryChristopher Dubois must face many of the world's greatestfighters....

2012-05-20 02:55:35

Really Cool.

If you want to know the story, read Maltin's reveiw, we are just here to say this movie is amazing! there are loads of exciting fight scenes which never get repetitive or boring. The 18 certificate (or whatever that is over in USA)was not needed, as there is no bad language,gore or dirty stuff. It is really really brill. You sould buy it! it is the sort of film you could watch over and over again without getting bored.

disdressed12 2012-05-19 19:34:37

oh, brother

i hate to say this,but this movie is dumb,even for a Van Dammeflick.the story is stupid and slow and has no flow at all.the fightscenes are nothing special,similar to blood sport but pale incomparison.Roger Moore is in this one,and may be the only good thingabout this mess.and just once,is it too much to ask for Van Damme toactually sound like his character is from the locale in the movie.hisaccent never changes,no matter what nationality his character issupposed to be.in this one He plays Christopher Dubois,a Frenchman inNewYork in the mid 1920's.how about playing a character with a NewYorkaccent?it's obvious Van Dammme never took any dialect lessons or triedto change his accent in any way,which is what makes most of his moviesmore than a bit absurd.and don't even get me started on the title.imean "The Quest",how original.but then again the movie has nooriginality either,so i guess it's fitting that the title should followsuit.anyway,Van Damme directed and co-wrote the story with FrankDux.all i can muster is 3/10 for Roger Moore

ary luiz dalazen jr. 2012-05-19 06:05:10

Van Damme's effort as a director is a good surprise!

This film is Van Damme's first effort as director, and he is surprisinglygood in his task!The Quest is, of course, a simple action film, but it has alot of good intentions and the story, written by Van Damme, is good-hearted.The star plays Chris Dubois, a man who is saved by a group of mercenariesled by a smooth and charming thief (Roger Moore, who brings a little bit ofcomedy and softness to the story), and this guy takes Chris to the Lost Cityto fight in a highly dangerous tournament. The winner takes home abeautiful, enormous golden dragon. This isn't the best film of Van Damme'scareer, his best phase was with the Chinese directors (Hard Target, TheColony), but The Quest isn't a good film for those who want to seeexplosions, Van Damme blowing people's heads off and those kinds of thing.This is an adventure, the type of film that, if we were now ten years old,would love!you don't have violence, shootings and explosions, if you want towatch something like that rent Hellbound Hellraiser 2, this is aRaiders-of-the-Lost-Ark kind of film. If you want to give the movie a shot,try to forget your grown-up side and watch it as if you were ten years oldagain. Then you will love it!it's a simple, entertaining and very goodmovie!

2012-05-11 05:27:31

Van Damme needs Moore plot!

This film wasn't too bad considering it was directed and cowritten by star Jean-Claude Van Damme. The movie starts off in the 1920's with Van Damme dressed as a clown wearing stilts working with street orphans to steal some money from gangsters. He escapes from gangsters before being chased by the police onto a ship. The next morning, out to sea, the ship owners chain up the stowaway and put him to work. Shortly after the ship is ambushed by British cavaliers, led by Roger Moore, which free him only to bring him to an island and sell him to the Mutai to be a fighter. The movie quickly changes from an adventure story to a video-game movie the likes of Tekken. All of the best fighters in the world are invited to fight in a tournament at the Lost City for the prize of Golden Dragon and honor. The fighters are acted by real fighting champions from around the world. Each brings his own fighting style resulting in some satisfying matches which is the saving grace of the film.This film would have been much improved with plot twists and more attention paid the the back story of Van Damme's orphaned past to gain a better appreciation of why the fighting is so important to him.

Michael DeZubiria 2012-05-10 15:30:17

Sadly, the goofy melodrama and the exotic martial arts just don't mix…

In Van Damme's directorial debut, he stars as Chris Dubois, a New YorkCity orphan who stows away aboard a ship on it's way to Asia to escapea life on the edge of society, only to be captured and sold quiteliterally into slavery. There's even a part where he is asking a shadycharacter played by Roger Moore called Lord Edgar Dobbs ("Dobbs, LordDobbs…") to "buy him" so he can have a chance to go to a mysteriousplace called the Lost City to enter an ultra-secret fightingchampionship and win his freedom and maybe a little glory along theway.Sadly, the plot is one of the weakest I've seen in a Van Damme movie,which is not a good thing. The first hour comes across as almost anexcuse just to get to the fight scenes at the end, which resemble someof his earliest fighting movie like Bloodsport and Kickboxer, but hereare so brief and watered down that they are meaningless. It would bebetter if they just described them. But I'll get to that later.Clearly, Chris' motivation is to get his freedom, but there is also thematter of this fighting tournament, which is a little difficult tounderstand. The best fighters from all of a dozen or more differentcountries are there to find out who is the best in the world. It's sortof like the Olympics for fighting with all those nations represented,except it's super-secret so there is no publicity and no recognitionfor their achievements. One journalist is there, but she had to pull aserious amount of strings in order to get there. These must be fightingpurists, the guys that do it for the spiritual reasons and not themoney or fame.Anyway, this Lord Dobbs becomes interested when Chris explains to himthat the prize for winning the tournament is "a big dragon made ofsolid gold," so Chris is able to enlist his help in getting to thetournament, provided he can win his freedom if he shares the prize withhim. All of this is generally irrelevant, of course. The movie existsjust for the fight scenes, but sadly, once they finally get started itquickly becomes one of the most disappointing parts of the whole movie.The tournament takes place somewhere called the "Lost City," which isdescribed as "the top of the world." Maybe this is meant to evokesomething like Lhasa, the capital city of Tibet, which calls itself"the roof of the world." There's no resemblance, but it's aninteresting coincidence. Anyway, soon we learn that there is more torisk than getting the tar beaten out of you. One of the fight officialsominously warns Chris that, if he loses, he can never leave the LostCity.How's that again? Such stipulations are always a complete mystery tome. When I was in Tibet last summer, we took a trip to Namtso Lake acouple hours north of Lhasa, which claims to be the "highest lake inthe world" at about 5200 meters (I'm pretty sure that there are dozensthat are much, much higher, but no matter), the locals at the lake toldus that the lake was sacred to them, so if you bathe in it, or evenjust wash your face or hands or feet, your punishment will be thatthey'll never let you leave. Uh-huh. Who would they really bepunishing? Anyway, the actual tournament looks like a video game, a cartoonishlyoverblown ceremonial setup that reminds me of Mortal Kombat, which Iunderstand is one of Van Damme's worst movies ever. I haven't seen it,but I can certainly imagine! Each country is represented by a goofystereotype, often in wildly inappropriate attire. There is the Germanfighter who looks exactly like a Nazi, complete with calf-high standardissue military work boots, the Japanese sumo-wrestler, the squirrellyChinese guy, the mountainous, frightening Mongolian (who doesn't lookremotely Mongolian, but no matter), etc.What I especially love is that every fighter comes out, does somebizarre dance, and then the fight begins and ends within 10-15 secondswithout fail. The Turkish fighter, who looks like one of the toughestfighters of all of them, gets shoved backwards by the sumo-wrestler andthen I guess he just passes out. I've never seen anyone get knocked outfrom being pushed, but it happens in this movie. Anyway, things getstrangely familiar again when Chris takes off the headband of a fallenfriend, swearing revenge with an evil stare at the scary Mongolian.This is as goofy as it gets, but for some reason it's still fun towatch Van Damme in this kind of situation. Too bad the rest of themovie is so bad.What I mean by that, of course, is things like the conclusion of themovie, where Lord Dobbs and his hapless sidekick attempt to steal thegolden horse, which has cleverly been left out in the middle of an opencourtyard during the tournament, with so little security that no onenotices when they try to steal it using a BLIMP. You see, they figureit's too heavy for anyone to carry off, which renders even the mostconspicuous and noticeable vehicle perfectly acceptable. NICE.The end of the movie is abrupt and cheesy, complete with a ham-handedmoral and a totally uncreative mention of the future of the cast. Atleast Lord Dobbs mentions that he's a pirate, but used to be a captainin the Royal Navy. Interesting because that's what most pirates were inreal life before they turned to a life of crime. Sadly, there's notmuch else here. For some good Van Damage you're better off with theearlier kickboxing films…

jonathanruano 2012-05-09 21:10:25

The Quest

The main problem with "The Quest" is that its plot does not match thepretencions of an epic film. The cinematography creates the illusionthat we are watching an epic film. In the opening scenes, Jean ClaudeVan Damme plays a clown with stilts against a richly layered backdropof a 1920s city combined with a hideaway with thieving boys which isreminiscent of Fagin's lair from the film "Oliver Twist." Then we havescenes that appear, at least on the surface, to come straight out ofthe movie "Treasure Island"(1954) which includes its pirate ship. Thisis followed by another epic scene with Muay Thai fighters training onthe beach while large waves are crashing against the shore. Then we seeJean Claude Van Damme and company travelling through Asia on elephantsand then horses en route to a temple in the snowy mountains of Tibet.In other words, most of the cinema images suggest we are either goingto witness an epic film about a great man's life or a man witnessingthe great forces of history unfold before his eyes. Yet for all thegrandiose set designs, "The Quest" has little to offer except the wornout formula from films like "Kickboxer" and "Bloodsport." "The Quest"is not an epic tale about a great man in the way that Director DavidLean's "Lawrence of Arabia" was. On the contrary, Jean Claude VanDamme's acting cannot even raise a candle to that of Peter O'Toole asLawrence; but instead he simply reprises his choreographed karate movesfor which he has become famous. You also will not find great historicalforces at work in this film. In "The Last Emperor," Pu Yi (playedbrilliantly by John Lone) was not a great man, but he was a witness togreat historical events that profoundly transformed his own life andhis country. In "Doctor Zhivago," we got to see the Russian Revolutionunfold and the advent of communism. Yet "The Quest" simply settles fora subject that seems far more modest by comparison to the RussianRevolution -- namely, the Kumite where martial arts fighters around theworld compete for a golden dragon. In other words, "The Quest" isreally a more expensive version of "Bloodsport." And since Bloodsport,with its macho cornball and 1980s music, was a lot more fun to watch,one wonders why so much money was spent producing "The Quest" which isin many ways a pale reflection of that film.Admittedly, this film is entertaining in some respects. Although wedon't have the comical villain Bolo Yeung or Paul Herzog's great 1980smusic, the fight scenes in the last 40-50 minutes are fun to watch.However, these small virtues are overshadowed by the inescapablerealization that "The Quest" has the look of a great film, but does nothave a plot to match its great pretencions. 5/10

2012-05-09 04:50:57

Van Damme has new Quest: find better ideas...

When you see the movie cover you will think that this is a Bloodsport movie. In a way it is, but it doesn't really get there until the SECOND half of the film. It starts with an old Van Damme telling a story of how he learned to fight, but doesn't even go there. This movie goes from how he escapes New York to becoming a prisoner on a pirate ship, then getting with Roger Moore and his idiot sidekick. They go from one island to the next and end up at a fighting tournament, which is not long at all. I swear this is just like Bloodsport: though Van Damme doesn't do any real cool moves, a bunch of fighters from around the world competing to win. The prize: a giant solid gold statue. I'd like to see anyone even move something like that. The only original idea this movie has is the fact that each fighter is representing not themselves, but their country. Still, this movie sucks.

Mickey Knox 2012-05-08 14:16:18

one of the stupidest ever

Aren't these people sick of this sh*t yet?? Cause I am..... it's a movie youdefinetely should skip. You've seen this before, so many times... includingin Blood Sport or in other Van Damme movies...This was done just for Van Damme to flex his pecs a little bit and show ushis karate skills, cause the rest is absolutely unimportant.And an advice: Mr Van Damme, please quit directing movies, it's a totalfiasco... you have no idea how to do that. And please for the sake of allman kind go back to Holland and leave us alone.Vote: 0 out of 10.(unfortunately that's impossible, so it's 1 out of10)

2012-05-08 01:21:45

Close but no cigar Van Damme

The Quest is Van Damme's atempt at a comeback going back to the films where he was staright into fighting and not playing a cop or any like that. The film has okay fight sequnces but the storyline is a little murky and the fianl does drag a little. But still better than the two previous Van Damme films which were Sudden Death and Maximum Risk.

jeffsti 2012-05-04 21:44:45

predictable, just plain horrible

This movie was just plain horrible. I don't expect much from Van Damme butwhat was Moore thinking in allowing himself to be part of this movie? Thefirst half was slow and uninteresting. The stereotyped fighting style fromeach country was obnoxious. The predictable ending lacked any sort ofinterest. Skip this movie.

2012-05-04 05:39:25

Van Dammes best

This is a fun "indiana jones" type martial arts movie. It's Van Dammes best movie, even though Van Dammes fight sequences are mediocare. There is some nice capoeira in the movie. The atmoshpere & cinematography are great.

2012-05-04 00:19:31

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...

The main reason for reviewing this is simply backlog; I do enjoy Van Damme's oeuvre for the high comedies that they are, but this film really wasn't much of an improvement over 'Cyborg', which was possibly the worst film ever made (yes, that includes 'Hudson Hawk').Prior to release, Van Damme had been going around saying it will be a pure action film, returning to his 'Bloodsport' roots. I wish. For $20 million dollars cheaper, 'Bloodsport' makes 'the Quest' look like 'Best of the Best IV'.For starters, it's rated PG-13, so the action can't be all out--something we don't have to worry about when his films are rated 'R.' Secondly, what little fighting there is only surfaces in the last 25 minutes of the film. While as a director, Van Damme doesn't make many resolutely bone-headed mistakes, he should stay away from vanity projects like this one.The film itself is quite boring, and while it is amusing to see Roger Moore pick up his paycheck and run (it's been a hard life since 'View to a Kill'), nothing merits buying this on DVD.

David Stallard 2012-05-03 17:36:18

Surprisingly good

This film is a lot better than I expected, and much better than the otherimdb comments would imply. You can essentially split this movie in half,with the first half being an adventure movie and the second half being afight competition. I actually liked the adventure portion a lot more thanthe fight competition, which is surprising since I like stuff likeBloodsport (the fight part of The Quest is essentially a higher-budgetversion of Bloodsport). At any rate, this movie is great visually -- it'sfilmed in a lot of exotic locations. I also thought the direction wasgreat...there were some interesting shots that really impressed me for VanDamme's first directorial effort. The story kinda moves along too quicklyand there are a couple parts where this strains the believability of thestory (such as how easy it is for Van Damme to get the fight invitation/mapfrom the boxer), but these are easily overlooked and don't really detractmuch.I went into this expecting it to be low-budget and fairly dumb, but I wassurprised at the lavish production and the fact that it has an actual storywhich I find more interesting than the fighting.

2012-05-01 11:35:21

Van Damme & Moore: Quest Without A Compass

When watching "The Quest", you can tell that Jean-Claude Van Damme's career was already in its mainstream descent: directed by himself, it's basically a retelling of Bloodsport without any and all cult intrigue and co-starring a way-past-his-prime Roger Moore who would go on to publicly blast his own involvement later on. Though I've never been a hardcore fan of Van Damme's, I'm always ready for a good action film - "Quest", however, is merely a bad film with good action scenes, remaining miles behind what the Muscles did earlier in his career before he decided to take up the reins himself.The story: Van Damme is Christopher Dubois, a 1920s pickpocket whose frequent run-ins with the law get him shanghaied on a smuggling ship from which he is "rescued" by a mercenary Englishman (Moore, The Spy Who Loved Me) who sells him into a Thai fighting circuit. The two inexplicably reunite and agree to aid eachother as they enter a Tibetan tournament pitting fighters from all over the world for the prize of a valuable golden statue.Let's get right to the good stuff, the fighting. In short, it's good but not great. The choreography of the encounters in the tournament (done by Peter Malota, returning from Double Impact) regularly surpasses that of "Bloodsport", with faster action that is just as hard-edged and fine representation of a wide variety of fighting styles. Notable combatants include a returning Abdel Qissi (Lionheart), pro wrestler Kitao Koji, Stefanos Miltsakakis (Bloodsport 4: The Dark Kumite), and Ong Soo Han (Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story). Disappointing is the length of most of these fights: with the exception of Van Damme's fisticuffs, each encounter is lucky if it lasts more than 20 seconds, even when the complete fight is filmed from start to finish.Sadly, the tournament only begins about halfway into the movie, and just about everything leading up to it is Van Damme's lackluster attempt at storytelling: it seems like he was going for something epic and character-driven, but despite its impressive scope, the film feels very compact and vanilla, and is populated by stock characters that don't grow on you. Some of them - like Janet Gunn (Carnosaur 3: Primal Species) as a worldly newspaper reporter, role Madonna turned down - feel practically forced on you because their prominence grossly exceeds their contributions to the story. Production values are sound, although that may be because a lot of the movie was shot on-location in places whose beauty speaks for itself.The repetitive use of slow motion during the fight scenes might irk others than me, but that's not going to bring down the film down even more if you already dislike it. While I enjoy the movie more than some of Van Damme's more universally-acclaimed features, "Quest" will give viewers plenty of time to use the bathroom or make popcorn before anything of note happens. Though fans will surely scoop this one right up, newcomers to Van Damme should save this film for later in their experience.

Frank Markland 2012-04-30 15:43:25

A quest not worth taking...

A thief is kidnapped by smugglers and then forced to fight in acompetition, in which the winner takes home the golden dragon(Which isapparently worth millions, but looks like it was made out of brass)lots of fight sequences ensue. The Quest is proof that action starsneed not direct. Jean-Claude Van Damme directs each actor in such alackluster fashion that they manage to almost become invisible. RogerMoore and James Remar are truly wasted and even the fight sequences arepoorly staged. If you really want to see something like this done well,check out Bloodsport and Kickboxer.* out of 4 (Bad)

2012-04-28 16:24:02

The Real "Bloodsport 2"

Van Damme, the genius, is now the director. Yes. He has pretty much recycled "Bloodsport" and released "The Quest". Even though people may not like it because of the lack of originality, this movie rules the animal kingdom. Forget the ridiculous food chain, this movie eats up the competition. Oh yes! Van Damme enters a sacred tournament and devours all of his competition and slowly digests the huge Mongolian dude at the end. This movie is self-explanatory and you must buy this immaculate piece of art.

MBunge 2012-04-28 15:16:39

Another step on Van Damme's downward career arc

This movie was directed by Jean-Claude Van Damme. Do I need to sayanything more about it?Okay, if you insist.The Quest is about a man who journeys across the world to take part ina martial arts tournament to crown the world's greatest fighter. I knowthat describes several of Van Damme's films, but this is the one set inthe 1920s. Chris Dubois (Jean-Claude Van Damme) is the acrobatic andnot-at-all-child-molestery leader of a gang of street urchins. Chrisdecides to use his young followers to steal from the Mafia, which ispossibly the worst idea anyone has ever had. When the gangsters try toget their money back, a kid gets shot and Chris flees from the police.He runs because another kid tells him the cops will blame him for theshooting, even though that doesn't make any sense given how ithappened, but Chris being highly suggestible is a recurring themethrough this story.Chris winds up a stowaway on a ship, forced to work in chains, untilthat ship is attacked by the forces of Lord Edgar Dobbs (Roger Moore).A pirate, con man and all around scalawag, Dobbs sells Chris intoslavery on an island of Muay Tai fighters. 6 months later, Dobbs runsinto Chris at a Muay Tai fighting match and Chris insists that Dobbshelp him enter a secret combat tournament in Tibet, not so Chris canwin but so they can steal the winner's giant gold dragon prize. Oh,Chris and Dobbs also join up with a female journalist named Carrie(Janet Gunn) and I sure hope Van Damme was banging this chick becausethere's no other reason for the character to exist.Tagging along with Maxie Devine (James Remar), the American heavyweightboxing champion invited to the secret tournament, they make their wayto Tibet. After a scuffle where Chris literally kicks Maxie once andpunches him once, Maxie decides that Chris is the better fighter andoffers him his spot in the tournament.Then we finally get to all the fighting, which turns out to bedisappointingly brief and generic. Except for the Brazilian fighter andthe Chinese fighter engaging in a dance off, the Japanese fighterdemonstrating the martial art of being morbidly obese and a Spanishfighter apparently trained in the deadly skill of flamenco dancing,there's nothing at all interesting about the combat. The designated badguy turns out to be a Mongolian (Abdel Qissi), of all things, whoglares a lot and kills somebody that was supposed to be a friend ofChris', even though the two characters barely said 6 words to eachother in the entire movie. Chris and the Mongolian fight and Chris winsbecause this film was not directed by Abdel Qissi.The Quest is bad. I know that's not exactly a surprise, but Van Damme'sability as a storyteller is so derivative it's not even interestinglybad. Instead of doing some howlingly incompetent stuff, Van Damme isjust mimicking things he's seen in other films, including what Ibelieve is an homage to Clint Eastwood's Every Which Way But Loose. Thescript is written at the level of a 10 year old and the direction lookslike any other terrible Van Damme flick.If this thing had been hilariously awful, that might have somewhatredeemed it. Instead, it's just another crappy step on Van Damme'scareer trajectory from nobody to action star to living joke.

no-skyline 2012-04-26 17:26:52

Direct To Video Fodder

Jean Claude Van Damme stars in this dreadful action flick how or whyRoger Moore ever got involved is something of a mystery, perhaps thepart looked better on paper or more likely he was offered a wedge ofcash. The story is nearly identical to Blood Sport except rather than asoldier this time Van Damme is a petty thief looking after the streetkids. There follows a rather lame plot about him having to leave thecountry and ending up fighting somewhere in Asia and getting an inviteto fight in the ultimate martial arts tournament (again nearlyidentical to Blood Sport).One thing that is admirable about the film is that it does try toinclude as many fighting styles as possible incl Sumo, Kickboxing andBrazilian Martial arts. Anyone from Scotland will cringe however whenthe inevitable kilt wearing Scotsman (well an American doing a badscotch accent) appears briefly. It's a shame the fight choreographydoesn't match up to the eclectic range of styles being as it is klunkyand padded out with unnecessary slow motion.Acting wise this is a Jean Claude Van Damme film so you should knowwhat to expect! But the quality is low even by his standard onecharacter (the boxer who's so un-memorable I don't even remember hisname) seems to exist solely to shout 'Chhhhriiiiisssssss' every timeVan Damme gets hit. The setting for the fights looks like a bad 80'smusic video and there is a plot tacked on to give Roger Moore somethingto do but it just doesn't work.It seems this is a personal project for Van Damme and Frank Dux (whowas the basis for Blood Sport)to produce the ultimate martial artstournament movie but they just don't have the required flare to make itwork, this is just a very slow and clunky direct to video movie.There is nothing to recommend this film as it's not even a good DTVfilm, the action is sub standard from what should be a good set-up theacting terrible, script is patchy I could go on but by now if I haven'tput you off I never will. Give this film a miss if your in search ofJean Claude Van Damme in action go for Blood Sport it's better in everyway or if your in the mood for something harder hitting then revisitEnter the Dragon for the best martial arts tournament movie ever. 3/10

Mox_Factor 2012-04-26 07:15:46

Hollywood's best representation of Martial Arts

there are no other films that can be compared with this in terms of fairlyrealistic martial arts styles, not even in hong kong MA flicks. skippingthe story as it doesn't matter, the various styles of Martial Arts arequitewell balanced (other than that Scotsman and the Turk for the stomachchurning wrench). If only van Damme would've brought in a few of JackieChan's stuntmen, (Bradley James Allan and the asian taekwondo guy in "Mr.Nice Guy"), it would've rounded out the globe. Too bad many still thinkAikido and Taiji has far too few movements to look good onfilm.but in terms of the story it is yet another trademark Van Dammeslow-motiongrowl bore much like Bloodsport. the idea of the story would've been goodif it was followed up with a decent fighting game, but then, at the timeofthe release, the US have no good fighting game (Mortal Kombat requires noskills, just memorization of fatalities, babealities, animalities, etc...)and I'm not sure if Van Damme would be able to convince SNK or Capcom tohelp them produce a good one from an American movie.I did give it a 9/10 because the rest of the american made martial artsflicks of the same period were pale in comparison. no matter the story,it's still a martial arts flick and should have decent martial arts. (eg.general rubbish like American Ninja, Charles Bronson movies, other VanDammeflicks, Seagal flicks with the exception of the brilliant Under Siege,...)If only other american made martial arts flicks were in the style of AliorRaging Bull, then at least the fighting would be watchable, and last morethan 10 seconds. (applause to Quentin Tarantino for getting it halfdecentwith Kill Bill vol.1, but the fighting was still poorly executed becausethey simply lack the training)